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“History Books Cannot Be Trusted, So We Must Write Our Own Stories…“ | A CỌ́N-SCÌÒ Magazine Interview with Nana Sule

<body><div class&equals;"booster-block booster-read-block">&NewLine; <div class&equals;"twp-read-time">&NewLine; &Tab;<i class&equals;"booster-icon twp-clock"><&sol;i> <span>Read Time&colon;<&sol;span>28 Minute&comma; 13 Second <&sol;div>&NewLine;&NewLine; <&sol;div>&NewLine;<h4 class&equals;"wp-block-heading has-black-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-0c5701aaead475c805629d2599bab2a1">Nana Sule is a writer&comma; journalist&comma; and communications strategist&period; She curates literary events and co-owns The Third Space&comma; a bookstore and workstation in Kano&period; Her works have been published in Agbowo&comma; Isele&comma; SEVHAGE&comma; Arts-Muse Fair&comma; and elsewhere&period; She won the Eugenia Abu&sol;SEVHAGE International Prize for Creative Non-Fiction &lpar;2024&rpar; with her exceptional piece&comma; &OpenCurlyQuote;We Bought an Album in June&period;’ She was also the first runner-up for the ALitfest Prize for Fiction &lpar;2022&rpar; and was longlisted for the 2023 SEVHAGE Prize for Fiction for her short story&comma; &OpenCurlyQuote;Owanyi&period;’ Her essay&comma; &OpenCurlyQuote;Birthing the Mother’&comma; was a notable essay in the Abebi Award in Afro-Non-Fiction &lpar;2023&rpar; and was published by Isele Magazine&period; Nana is the author of the collection&comma; Not So Terrible People&comma; which was published by Masobe Books in 2025 to great acclaim&period; Nana aims to craft stories that feel familiar yet imbued with the unexpected&period; She also indulges in a love for chocolate&period; In this interview&comma; Nana shares insights on her writing journey—from origins and accolades to publications&comma; alongside perspectives on the Nigerian society&comma; motherhood&comma; and the use of AI in the creative process&period;&period;<&sol;h4>&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;<p class&equals;"has-black-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-132329f30d94b30c776086289676b341"><strong><em>SVA&colon; Nana&comma; let’s start with something personal&period; You are many things&colon; writer&comma; editor&comma; strategist&comma; gender advocate… I once asked you what drives you in all of this&comma; but I think a key question I would want to know now is&comma; beyond the labels&comma; who are you at your quietest&quest; And who are you when the world isn’t watching&quest;<&sol;em><&sol;strong><&sol;p>&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;<p><strong>NS&colon;<&sol;strong> That’s an interesting question&period; When the world isn’t watching&comma; I’m a baby&period; That’s really the best way I can describe it&period;<&sol;p>&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;<p>My life is often filled with movement&colon; to-do lists&comma; deadlines&comma; holding space for others&comma; and showing up&period; But when things finally slow down &lpar;and they rarely do&rpar;&comma; I just want softness&period; I want to be fed&period; I want someone to wash my hair&period; I want to take long walks with people I love&comma; to marvel at the world as though it’s brand new&period; To pretend I’m seeing colours for the first time&period; To pause&period;<&sol;p>&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;<p>I think that’s it&period; I want to be cared for&period; To not be strong or so put together all the time&comma; and for that to be enough&period;<&sol;p>&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;<p><strong><em>SVA&colon; You’ve written about trauma&comma; loss&comma; and longing with remarkable emotional precision&period; But what were your own childhood years like&quest; Were there moments or people from that time who lit your first spark for storytelling or general creativity that you would like to talk about&quest;<&sol;em><&sol;strong><&sol;p>&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;<p><strong>NS&colon;<&sol;strong> You know&comma; I was once in therapy&period; Did a session or two&comma; and because the therapist turned me into an onion and started peeling away my layers&comma; I ran&period; Or maybe because he believed something happened&comma; and that I’ve been running ever since&period; He may be right&period;<&sol;p>&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;<p>The truth is&comma; I don’t remember a lot from my childhood&period; I don’t remember much before the age of five&comma; and I suppose that’s normal&period; But I’ve also &OpenCurlyDoubleQuote;blocked out” most memories up until I was about ten&comma; or so the therapist said&period; I don’t quite agree with him&period; I just know I don’t remember much&period;<&sol;p>&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;<p>What I do remember&comma; and I’ve said this often&comma; is that my mum taught me to read&period; I know I could read and write quite early&period; My dad made me interested in stories because he was big on movies and books&comma; and newspapers&period; And since there was a large age gap between me and my immediate older brother&comma; and my mum was doing a postgrad and working at the time&comma; it was mostly just my dad and I&period; We’d watch movies&comma; read books and newspapers together&period; I remember us watching Filipino and Mexican soaps&comma; and Indian movies&period; If he missed an episode&comma; it was my job to write out a summary for him&period;<&sol;p>&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;<p>We’d take long drives to buy suya or turkey&comma; and he’d tell me stories&comma; folktales in Ebira&period; Sometimes&comma; we’d lie on mats&comma; stare at the sky as he sang Ebira songs&period; There’s one I still remember&comma; about pigeons&period; They’re called <em>Arekuku<&sol;em>—something about how they are the kings of birds&comma; because you’d never find them in the dump&period; And if you did&comma; something must be terribly wrong&period;<&sol;p>&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;<figure class&equals;"wp-block-image size-full"><img sizes&equals;"&lpar;max-width&colon; 750px&rpar; 100vw&comma; 750px" src&equals;"https&colon;&sol;&sol;www&period;wrr&period;ng&sol;wp-content&sol;uploads&sol;2025&sol;07&sol;Nana-Sule&lowbar;3&period;webp" alt&equals;"" class&equals;"wp-image-42482" loading&equals;"lazy"><&sol;figure>&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;<p>He’d build stories around myths and superstitions too&comma; like how if the rain is falling while the sun is shining&comma; then somewhere&comma; an elephant is giving birth&period; Haha&period;<&sol;p>&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;<p>I miss him&period; He passed last year&period; August 7th&period; He didn’t get to hold my book&period;<&sol;p>&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;<p>So to answer your question&colon; my parents&period; For teaching me to read and write&comma; and for allowing me to see the world through stories&period;<&sol;p>&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;<p><strong><em>SVA&colon; Growing up&comma; did you see women who looked and lived like you in books&quest; If not&comma; how has that absence influenced the kind of stories you choose to tell now&quest;<&sol;em><&sol;strong><&sol;p>&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;<p><strong>NS&colon;<&sol;strong> The closest I came to seeing a woman like me was in Zainab Alkali’s <em>Virtuous Woman&comma;<&sol;em> and that’s mainly because one of the characters had a foul mouth&period; For a brief moment in my teenage years&comma; I had a bad mouth too&period; I mean&comma; I still do&comma; but part of adulting is learning when to be civil&comma; right&quest;<&sol;p>&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;<p>But honestly&comma; I’ve never really thought much about how those stories shaped my writing or the stories I choose to tell&period; It’s hard to say&period; What I do know is that I now try to write stories that have characters who are familiar in my context&period;<&sol;p>&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;<p><strong><em>SVA&colon; Tell us a bit about your influences&comma; early books&comma; friends and other experiences that have proved pivotal to your writing and general creativity&period;<&sol;em><&sol;strong><&sol;p>&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;<p><strong>NS&colon;<&sol;strong> Aha&comma; so secondary school was a game changer&period;<&sol;p>&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;<p>I remember it vividly—first&comma; because I was flogged more than once for drawing and writing on the pages of my notebooks&period; I was a truant&comma; not in the sense of skipping school&comma; but because&comma; although my body was in class&comma; my mind was often somewhere far away&comma; conjuring stories&period; I think I would have been an excellent student if I had just listened and been more present in class&period; I might have been Einstein&comma; you know&quest;<&sol;p>&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;<p>My classmates would borrow my notebooks to read the stories I’d scribbled in the margins&period; Mariat&comma; Maria Ejeh&comma; Khadijah Suleiman… these are the names that readily come to mind&period; They read my writing back when it was just incoherent musings&comma; and I’m grateful&period;<&sol;p>&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;<p>Then came Mr&period; Brains Idiamin&comma; our English teacher in JSS3&period; And this is where the game-changing part truly began&period; Mr&period; Idiamin wrote beautiful poems&comma; and at the time&comma; I thought he was the finest man on the surface of the earth&period; In many ways&comma; I am grateful to him—not just for being a good teacher&comma; but for not taking advantage of that admiration&period; Because I am very certain I would have followed Mr&period; Idiamin to the ends of the earth if he had asked&period; But instead&comma; he gave me his poems to read&comma; and I wrote responses&period; They were mostly political poems&comma; if I remember correctly&period; And because I wanted to impress him&comma; I left prose for poetry and ended up succeeding in impressing him&period;<&sol;p>&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;<p>He submitted one of my poems to a magazine in Peterborough&comma; and it was selected&period; That moment changed the whole trajectory of my thinking&period; I had written something that was found worthy of publication overseas&excl; I mean&comma; now I cringe at how colonial that thinking was—getting validation because it was a UK magazine—but at the time&comma; it meant so much&period; It flipped a switch in my head&period; It meant that this thing&comma; this gift in my hands&comma; was important&period; That I was doing something that mattered&period;<&sol;p>&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;<p>That was the moment everything shifted for me&period; It no longer mattered whether I was published or applauded&period; It just mattered that I wrote&period; I became resolute in the knowledge that my writing was important&period;<&sol;p>&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;<p>Movies were also a huge influence&comma; and they still are&period; I write better when I watch Indian movies&comma; especially when I’m writing poems&period; The songs are so packed with imagery&comma; especially films from the late 1990s to early 2000s&period; I still consume a lot of movies from all parts of the world&period; Someday&comma; hopefully soon&comma; I think I’ll make an excellent scriptwriter&period;<&sol;p>&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;<figure class&equals;"wp-block-image size-full"><img sizes&equals;"&lpar;max-width&colon; 750px&rpar; 100vw&comma; 750px" src&equals;"https&colon;&sol;&sol;www&period;wrr&period;ng&sol;wp-content&sol;uploads&sol;2025&sol;07&sol;nana-sule&period;webp" alt&equals;"" class&equals;"wp-image-42483" loading&equals;"lazy"><&sol;figure>&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;<p>I also read a lot of suspense fiction in secondary school&colon; Mary Higgins Clark&comma; James Hadley Chase&comma; Sidney Sheldon&comma; Ted Dekker&comma; Richard Patterson&period; I think that’s where I learned to build suspense and craft a good who-done-it&period; I hope to write a crime thriller someday&period;<&sol;p>&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;<p><strong><em>SVA&colon; Nana&comma; your most recent book&comma; <&sol;em>Not So Terrible People<em> &lpar;published by Masobe&rpar;&comma; has been met with fair acclaim&period; It feels like both a culmination and a beginning&period; What has it been like watching this book find its audience&comma; and what has surprised you most in how people have responded to it&quest;<&sol;em><&sol;strong><&sol;p>&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;<p><strong>NS&colon;<&sol;strong> One word&colon; humbling&period; It has been humbling&period; Right from the point it got accepted for publication&comma; to the day the cover was announced… that was a wild&comma; wild day&comma; by the way&period; I just woke up one morning to my phone going off&period; And now&comma; to it actually being out in the world&comma; to it flying off the shelves&comma; especially that first week of release… amazing&excl;<&sol;p>&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;<p>I honestly have to thank everyone&comma; especially my friends&comma; for always&comma; always believing in my capabilities&comma; even when I struggle to see myself and my talent&period; And my readers… the ones who tag me&comma; send DMs&comma; tell me how mad or sad or happy they are about a character… It’s been beautiful&period; And even the kindness of other authors&comma; the women… I remember Edify Yakusak&comma; for example&comma; paying for copies and just saying&comma; &OpenCurlyDoubleQuote;You can do whatever you want&comma; just let people read&period;” Fatima Bala is sharing and resharing posts&period; My Flame Tree fellows surprised me with a mini pub day hangout—ah&comma; that was so thoughtful&period; My cousin Hadiza bought copies for a book club&period; The reviews&comma; the honest feedback… all of it has just been so humbling&period; I’m truly grateful&period;<&sol;p>&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;<p>What’s surprised me the most&quest; People aren’t crazy about the character Sunday&period; Why&quest;&excl; Like… like Sunday&comma; please&excl;<&sol;p>&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;<p><strong><em>SVA&colon; Before Not So Terrible People&comma; you had a much quieter debut&colon; <&sol;em>What Would Be Would Be<em>&period; We didn’t hear as much about that one&period; What happened to that book&quest; Looking back now&comma; how do you feel about it&comma; and who were you then as a writer&quest;<&sol;em><&sol;strong><&sol;p>&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;<p><strong>NS&colon;<&sol;strong> Wow&excl; You sure know how to investigate&period;<&sol;p>&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;<p>So yes&comma; I went to Minna&comma; Niger State&comma; in 2012 to study at the Federal University of Technology&period; I was still writing and trying to settle into school life&period; One of my lecturers&comma; Mr&period; Jonathan Adama&comma; in a class on professional ethics &lpar;I think&rpar;&comma; asked us a question&colon; <em>&OpenCurlyDoubleQuote;What is that thing you’re good at&comma; and where do you think it can lead you in a year&quest;” <&sol;em>I will never forget that question&period; I remember going to his office after the lecture to tell him how much I loved writing and how I hoped to one day get published&period; He asked me&comma; &OpenCurlyDoubleQuote;Do you have something to publish if the opportunity came now&quest; You have to be prepared&period; You have to invite opportunity by being ready&period;”<&sol;p>&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;<p>So I spent three weeks putting together a lame&comma; lame story rooted in patriarchy&period; It was about a long-suffering woman who endured everything&comma; including physical abuse&comma; blamed it on witchcraft&comma; and got a happily-ever-after ending&period; I shudder at the thought of that rubbish now&comma; but I also acknowledge how much I’ve grown&comma; as a person and in my politics&period;<&sol;p>&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;<p>Anyway&comma; back to the story&period; I had the thing&comma; but where was the opportunity&quest; I started scouting for a printer&period; I was ready to self-publish if I couldn’t find a publisher&period; I found a printer in Mobil who could do a hundred copies for fifty thousand naira&period; How much was my allowance then&quest; I’ve forgotten… but it was nowhere close&period;<&sol;p>&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;<p>I was talking to my best friend then&comma; my mosquito&comma; <em>how I wish I had money to print that&excl;<&sol;em> One of our coursemates&comma; Mr&period; Aliyu&comma; who was older and worked at MTN&comma; overheard and was impressed that I had put a book together&period; I think they had a CSR thing they were doing&comma; so he included me&comma; and I got the funds for the printing&period;<&sol;p>&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;<p>The next phase was proofreading&period; I was in a science and technology school&comma; I didn’t know who to ask&comma; and Mr&period; Idiamin was in faraway Zaria&period; Then it occurred to me to approach the Dean of the School of Environmental Management&comma; Prof&period; Morenikeji&period; He was always friendly and smiling&comma; so I summoned my courage&comma; knocked on his door&comma; and he agreed to proofread&period; And that’s how it got published&period;<&sol;p>&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;<p>I became <em>popular<&sol;em> in school&excl; I mean&comma; what were the odds that a science student in a science and technology school published a book while school was in session&quest;<&sol;p>&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;<p>When I returned to Prof&period; Morenikeji with the books&comma; he told me about ANA Niger and sent me to the then Chairman&comma; Nma Hassan&period; And you know how that story goes… from there&comma; I met so many people who have inspired and continue to influence my journey&period; It was also because of that book and being in Minna that I met my friends TJ Benson&comma; David Ishaya Osu&comma; and Shammah Godoz&period; I really love these three people&period;<&sol;p>&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;<p>To answer your question&colon; the book sold out&period; The original plan was to do a reprint&comma; but by the time it sold out&comma; I was beginning to see how problematic the story was&period; I had a different view of the world&period; I couldn’t&comma; in good conscience&comma; allow any girl or woman to read it… or anyone&comma; really&comma; and think there was an excuse for domestic violence and neglect&period; So I just didn’t reprint it&period;<&sol;p>&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;<figure class&equals;"wp-block-image size-full"><img sizes&equals;"&lpar;max-width&colon; 750px&rpar; 100vw&comma; 750px" src&equals;"https&colon;&sol;&sol;www&period;wrr&period;ng&sol;wp-content&sol;uploads&sol;2025&sol;07&sol;NANA-SULE1&period;webp" alt&equals;"" class&equals;"wp-image-42484" loading&equals;"lazy"><&sol;figure>&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;<p>I didn’t even have a copy until last year&comma; when I saw two copies among my father’s things&period; We were going through his stuff after he died and found things we had forgotten about&period; He had two copies of that book&period; They’re on my shelf now&period;<&sol;p>&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;<p><strong><em>SVA&colon; That’s a good story&comma; Nana&comma; and helps with part of your writer’s origin tale&period; Now&comma; you also wrote a children’s book&comma; <&sol;em>A New Name<em>&period; That feels like a different genre entirely&period; What inspired that shift&comma; and how did writing for children challenge or refresh you&quest;<&sol;em><&sol;strong><&sol;p>&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;<p><strong>NS&colon;<&sol;strong> Haha&comma; <em>A New Name<&sol;em> was meant to be part of a collection of short stories—I’ve been working on this collection for ages&excl; Haha&period; I wrote it in 2018&comma; right after returning from the Ebedi Writers Residency&comma; where I finished the story&period; At the time&comma; I was an editor and also managing the book club for Amab Books&period; When the owner read <em>A New Name<&sol;em>&comma; he said it was too long for a short story and felt it was more suited for children than adults&period; So&comma; he suggested turning it into a children’s book&period; Writing for children was new for me&comma; and it challenged me to think differently about storytelling&colon; simplifying without losing depth&period; So&comma; you see&comma; I didn’t set out to write a children’s book&semi; it just happened&period;<&sol;p>&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;<p><strong><em>SVA&colon; And that brings us nicely to your current book&comma; <&sol;em>Not So Terrible People&period; <em>All three of your books have been traditionally published in Nigeria—something that’s increasingly rare and difficult&comma; especially with the number of manuscripts that never leave inboxes&period; What has your publishing journey been like&comma; and how have you managed to find consistent visibility in such a saturated space&quest;<&sol;em><&sol;strong><&sol;p>&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;<p><strong>NS&colon;<&sol;strong> Actually&comma; only the last was fully traditionally published&period; I’ve told you about the first&period; The second was hybrid publishing&comma; I made a part payment and Amab covered the rest&period; <em>Not So Terrible People <&sol;em>is my first fully traditionally published book&period;<&sol;p>&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;<p><strong><em>SVA&colon; That is well noted&comma; and assumptions corrected&period; Aside from your fiction&comma; you are also known for your Creative Nonfiction pieces&comma; which have also won awards&period; There is something raw&comma; unpretentious and powerful about them&period; You’ve written about trauma&comma; loss&comma; and longing with remarkable emotional precision&period; What draws you to repeatedly write true stories and explore these themes&quest; Is it a form of preservation&comma; protest&comma; healing&comma; or something else entirely&quest;<&sol;em><&sol;strong><&sol;p>&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;<p><strong>NS&colon;<&sol;strong> Maybe a mix of all those things&comma; and also documenting&period; I often write about reproductive health because I feel it’s important to tell the good&comma; the bad&comma; and the ugly about things that are often considered taboo&period; It’s important not just for myself&comma; but for women in general&period;<&sol;p>&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;<p>I’ve experienced loss and grief&period; I suffered a pregnancy loss and had to confront the turbulence it brought into my life&period; And what better way to make sense of that than to write&quest;<&sol;p>&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;<p>But something that struck me deeply was how older women around me shared their own experiences of miscarriages&comma; stillbirths&comma; and terrible complications&period; I remember thinking&comma; <em>&OpenCurlyDoubleQuote;Then why do they make it seem all rosy&quest; Why did no one talk about the pain&comma; heartache&comma; and grief that come when things don’t go as planned&quest;<&sol;em>” Even when things do go well&comma; birthing a healthy child isn’t a walk in the park&period;<&sol;p>&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;<p>So yes&comma; writing has been a way to heal and preserve my sanity&comma; but it’s also a way to offer information to women around me&comma; sort of saying&comma; <em>&OpenCurlyDoubleQuote;Hey&comma; here’s what could go wrong or right&comma; and what it really takes to bring life into this world&period; Know this&comma; so you can be sure you want to do this&period;”<&sol;em><&sol;p>&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;<p>Be informed&period; Be sure&period;<&sol;p>&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;<div class&equals;'w3eden'><&excl;-- WPDM Link Template&colon; Default Template -->&NewLine;&NewLine;<div class&equals;"link-template-default card mb-2">&NewLine; <div class&equals;"card-body">&NewLine; <div class&equals;"media">&NewLine; <div class&equals;"mr-3 img-48"><img class&equals;"wpdm&lowbar;icon" alt&equals;"Icon" src&equals;"https&colon;&sol;&sol;www&period;wrr&period;ng&sol;wp-content&sol;plugins&sol;download-manager&sol;assets&sol;file-type-icons&sol;pdf&period;svg" &sol;><&sol;div>&NewLine; <div class&equals;"media-body">&NewLine; <h3 class&equals;"package-title"><a 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<&sol;div>&NewLine;<&sol;div>&NewLine;&NewLine;<&sol;div>&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;<p><strong><em>SVA&colon; <&sol;em><&sol;strong><em>Y<strong>ou’ve won and been nominated for several literary awards now&comma; including the Eugenia Abu&sol;SEVHAGE International Prize and the Abebi Afro-Nonfiction honour for the two essays we just spoke about&period; What do these forms of recognition mean to you&comma; not just as a writer&comma; but as a woman navigating visibility&comma; vulnerability&comma; and power&quest; In essence&comma; what do these awards mean to you&comma; beyond the plaques and the applause&quest; How do you hold them inwardly&quest;<&sol;strong><&sol;em><&sol;p>&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;<p><strong>NS&colon;<&sol;strong> First&comma; awards are validating&period; They tell me that my work matters&period; But for me&comma; awards are also a call to action&comma; to continue writing what feels genuine and natural to me&period; Most recently&comma; awards have also given me the audacity to teach without feeling like an impostor&period; I currently mentor four young women in fiction through the Northern Narratives Initiative&period; I’ve taken short classes&comma; both virtual and in person&comma; on writing&comma; and even in my professional work&comma; on strategic communication&period; I enjoy that&period; You know&comma; I wanted to be a lecturer for a long time&comma; but it didn’t happen&period; Many times I’ve wondered&comma; &OpenCurlyDoubleQuote;What do I even know&quest;” But these awards have given me the confidence to pursue teaching more&comma; moving from &OpenCurlyDoubleQuote;What do I know&quest;” to &OpenCurlyDoubleQuote;I know a little about this&comma; and I can share that&comma; and learn from the people I share with&period;” So yeah&comma; that’s what they mean to me&period;<&sol;p>&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;<figure class&equals;"wp-block-image size-full"><img sizes&equals;"&lpar;max-width&colon; 750px&rpar; 100vw&comma; 750px" src&equals;"https&colon;&sol;&sol;www&period;wrr&period;ng&sol;wp-content&sol;uploads&sol;2025&sol;07&sol;The-Not-So-Terrible-People-by-Nana-Sule&period;webp" alt&equals;"" class&equals;"wp-image-42486" loading&equals;"lazy"><&sol;figure>&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;<p><strong><em>SVA&colon; You’re a Middle Belt woman&comma; a Muslim&comma; and you also identify as a Northerner&comma; daughter&comma; feminist and environmental advocate&period; All of this while being what is generally termed as &OpenCurlyQuote;young’&comma; which comes with its own expectations and issues&period; Now&comma; these are all layered&comma; sometimes tense spaces to hold in Nigeria’s complex sociopolitical landscape&period; How do your identities shape your writing&comma; and how do you navigate the expectations &lpar;and assumptions&rpar; that come with them&quest; And now&comma; this is in terms of your personal and communal space&period;<&sol;em><&sol;strong><&sol;p>&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;<p><strong>NS&colon;<&sol;strong> So&comma; the Middle Belt isn’t the North&quest;<&sol;p>&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;<p>And just reading that question made me feel tired&period;<&sol;p>&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;<p>Nigeria is that lover who keeps breaking your heart but you can’t leave&period; And now you’re stuck in a vicious circle&colon; hate to love it&comma; love to hate it&period; It’s complex to navigate&period;<&sol;p>&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;<p>I was born in Okene&comma; Kogi State&comma; grew up in Northwestern Zaria&comma; Kaduna&comma; and spent considerable time moving between the Northwest and North Central&period; Because of that&comma; I often feel lost&period; When I go home to Okene&comma; I don’t quite feel at home&period; My mother tongue curves&comma; but it does not unfurl with ease&period; Yet even here&comma; my borrowed tongue reveals to the discerning that I am not marinated in the soil&period; I am the product of two worlds but claimed by none&period;<&sol;p>&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;<p>In <em>Not So Terrible People<&sol;em>&comma; I drew on this feeling to write the character Bala&period; I also tried to honour most of the places that influenced me in that book&period;<&sol;p>&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;<p>When the book came out&comma; something interesting made me laugh&period; Paul Liam posted something about Minna being where I was soaked in creative fluids&comma; and Slamatu Sule reminded him I was from Kogi State&period; Then I attended Zabafest and said it was a homecoming&period; It’s a lot to consider&comma; and I’m sure I’m just rambling at this point&comma; but it mirrors how I feel about Nigeria&period; Now I am moving as though I am a survivor of all these identities&comma; and at the same time&comma; moving with only hope as expectation&period;<&sol;p>&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;<p>I’m also trying to be less diplomatic&period; I hold friends and people with varying interests and understandings of the world close&comma; but I am learning to be firmer in the values I truly hold dear and to express them more openly&period;<&sol;p>&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;<p>As for how these layered identities shape my writing&comma; I think they give me a unique vantage point—an insider-outsider view that allows me to tell stories that straddle boundaries&comma; that explore the tensions and contradictions within Nigerian life&period; My background makes me attentive to nuance&comma; to voices that are often overlooked or misunderstood&period; It pushes me to write with empathy but also with clarity and courage&period;<&sol;p>&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;<p>Navigating expectations and assumptions is tricky&period; In my personal space&comma; I balance between honouring cultural norms and asserting my own values&comma; especially as someone who believes in the power of storytelling to challenge the status quo&period; In communal spaces&comma; I sometimes have to mediate between different worlds&comma; managing how I am seen and how I present myself&comma; all while trying to remain authentic&period; It’s a constant negotiation&comma; but one that fuels my writing and my sense of purpose&period;<&sol;p>&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;<p><strong><em>SVA&colon; Well said then&period; Alright&period; Now&comma; turning to one of the burning and recurring issues of the moment in our dear country&period; There have been recent killings in Benue&comma; which have been trending&comma; which is a minute representation of the several other killings happening in the state&comma; and elsewhere in the country by herdsmen&comma; bandits and more&period; There are other happenings like the train attack by bandits some years back&comma; which is featured in your work&comma; <&sol;em>Not So Terrible People<em>&period; You have written around and through some of these tragedies&period; What has your experience been in weaving them into your works&comma; and what are your thoughts on the role of creatives amid all of these&quest;<&sol;em><&sol;strong><&sol;p>&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;<p><strong>NS&colon;<&sol;strong> Like I’ve always said&comma; the most important role of a creative is to document&comma; especially now&period; But even that is becoming harder&period; I was scarred by the train attack&period; I was&period; And to this day&comma; I’ve been unable to take a train ride&period; I plan to face that fear this year&period; I even registered on the app and everything&comma; but I still feel like my feet are stuck in hardening concrete when it comes to this&period; Even more than that&comma; I’m terrified of the violence humans can muster… the hate&comma; the division&period;<&sol;p>&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;<p>Nigeria is heartbreaking&period; Sometimes&comma; Nigerians make you question your sanity&period; And I do believe we are all insane on some level&comma; because you can’t live in a country like this and be completely normal&period;<&sol;p>&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;<p>When that train attack happened&comma; a doctor on the train posted on Twitter &lpar;or X&comma; as it is now called&rpar;  that she had been shot&period; Someone wished her death&period; And she died&period; Whether that person thought she was lying or not&comma; why wish someone else death&quest;<&sol;p>&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;<p>Now&comma; that person might not be a bandit or one of those who massacre villages or burn people alive&comma; as we’ve witnessed recently in Edo&comma; Benue&comma; Jos&comma; but there’s something terrifying about the violent thoughts and tendencies of the average Nigerian&period; It scares me&period; It’s unhealthy&period; And I don’t know what we can do about it except write&period;<&sol;p>&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;<p>We <em>have<&sol;em> to write&period; History books cannot be trusted&period; We must write our stories&comma; weave them into art&comma; painting&comma; poems—because at the very least&comma; we have to let it be known that we tried&period; That we resisted&period; That we didn’t want this to happen&comma; but it did&period;<&sol;p>&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;<p>That train attack happened&comma; and lives were lost&period; Promising lives were lost&period; People have been butchered in their homes&comma; on the roads&period; This is our reality&period; We have to get to work&period;<&sol;p>&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;<p><strong><em>SVA&colon; What breaks your heart most about Nigeria today&quest; And what still makes you believe in her&quest;<&sol;em><&sol;strong><&sol;p>&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;<p><strong>NS&colon;<&sol;strong> What breaks my heart most about Nigeria today is the dysfunction&period; Nothing works&period; Nothing&period; Honestly&comma; I no longer believe in Nigeria&period; Maybe the only thing I still appreciate is the food&comma; cause there’s nothing as delicious as Nigerian food&period; But beyond that&comma; I just don’t believe anymore&period;<&sol;p>&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;<p><strong><em>SVA&colon; Let’s talk about power&comma; you know&comma; soft power&comma; cultural power&comma; political power&period; You’ve created space for yourself in a system that often asks women&comma; especially Muslim women&comma; to shrink&period; Was there ever a moment when you nearly gave it all up&quest; What kept you going&quest; In essence&comma; have you ever felt policed externally or internally&quest; As a follow-up&comma; what has it taken to claim your full voice&comma; without apology&quest;<&sol;em><&sol;strong><&sol;p>&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;<figure class&equals;"wp-block-image size-full"><img sizes&equals;"&lpar;max-width&colon; 750px&rpar; 100vw&comma; 750px" src&equals;"https&colon;&sol;&sol;www&period;wrr&period;ng&sol;wp-content&sol;uploads&sol;2025&sol;07&sol;NS-30-scaled&period;webp" alt&equals;"" class&equals;"wp-image-42487" loading&equals;"lazy"><&sol;figure>&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;<p><strong>NS&colon;<&sol;strong> Yes&period; Being postpartum did a lot to me&period; The lack of sleep nearly took my sanity&comma; and then there was breastfeeding&comma; which I hated&period; It took away my time&period; I couldn’t travel&comma; couldn’t move&period; And if anyone knows me&comma; they know that being stuck in one place&comma; or even just feeling stuck&comma; is a recipe for my disintegration&period; So&comma; I started to come undone&period;<&sol;p>&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;<p>When I tried to explain this to family&comma; especially&comma; I was met with what I perceived as faux sympathy at best&period; I was met with actions and inactions that said&comma; <em>This is what being a woman and mother means—you are to enjoy it or at least stop moaning about it&period;<&sol;em> I was bitter a lot&period; It also came with guilt because I felt selfish for not putting the obvious nutrition of my child into perspective&period; I was made to feel like I was complaining about a gift I should be grateful for&period;<&sol;p>&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;<p>I still hold a grudge from that phase of my life because I expected more empathy&period; I thought I had put in enough goodwill in my relationships to earn support in the way I needed&period; But I learned&comma; the hard way&comma; that no matter how progressive people seem&comma; in the end&comma; they expect women to behave like women&period; It was really sad to realise&period; So&comma; I had to make a decision&colon; wallow in self-pity&comma; which would have been very justifiable&comma; or pick up the pieces of myself and navigate that phase of my life as best I could&comma; without losing myself&period;<&sol;p>&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;<p>That moment was also when I knew I had to put my manuscript together properly&period; I used those sleepless nights to write&period; I looked for a remote job with more leeway so I could rest and write more&period; It became a way to reclaim my time and my voice&period;<&sol;p>&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;<p>It has been a process of learning to value my own needs and boundaries&comma; even when they don’t fit into others’ expectations&period; It meant accepting that my experience&comma; feelings&comma; and struggles were valid&comma; and that I didn’t have to minimise or justify them to anyone&period; It meant saying <em>no<&sol;em> to what drains me and <em>yes<&sol;em> to what nurtures me&comma; even if that made people uncomfortable&period; It took courage to show up fully as myself&comma; to be vulnerable&comma; to speak out&comma; and to create space for my stories&comma; even when that felt risky&period; But I realised that this is the only way to be true to my work&period;<&sol;p>&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;<div class&equals;'w3eden'><&excl;-- WPDM Link Template&colon; Default Template -->&NewLine;&NewLine;<div class&equals;"link-template-default card mb-2">&NewLine; <div class&equals;"card-body">&NewLine; <div class&equals;"media">&NewLine; <div class&equals;"mr-3 img-48"><img class&equals;"wpdm&lowbar;icon" alt&equals;"Icon" src&equals;"https&colon;&sol;&sol;www&period;wrr&period;ng&sol;wp-content&sol;plugins&sol;download-manager&sol;assets&sol;file-type-icons&sol;pdf&period;svg" &sol;><&sol;div>&NewLine; <div class&equals;"media-body">&NewLine; <h3 class&equals;"package-title"><a href&equals;'https&colon;&sol;&sol;www&period;wrr&period;ng&sol;download&sol;con-scio-magazine-breathe-issue-5-vol-1-jun-2025&sol;'>CỌ́N-SCÌÒ MAGAZINE&colon; &OpenCurlyQuote;BREATHE’ &lbrack;ISSUE 5&comma; VOL&period; 1 &vert; JUN&comma; 2025&rsqb;<&sol;a><&sol;h3>&NewLine; <div class&equals;"text-muted text-small"><i class&equals;"fas fa-copy"><&sol;i> 1 file&lpar;s&rpar; <i class&equals;"fas fa-hdd ml-3"><&sol;i> 20&period;00 KB<&sol;div>&NewLine; <&sol;div>&NewLine; <div class&equals;"ml-3">&NewLine; <a class&equals;'wpdm-download-link download-on-click btn btn-primary ' rel&equals;'nofollow' href&equals;'&num;' data-downloadurl&equals;"https&colon;&sol;&sol;www&period;wrr&period;ng&sol;download&sol;con-scio-magazine-breathe-issue-5-vol-1-jun-2025&sol;&quest;wpdmdl&equals;42545&refresh&equals;693240803d69b1764900992">Download<&sol;a>&NewLine; <&sol;div>&NewLine; <&sol;div>&NewLine; <&sol;div>&NewLine;<&sol;div>&NewLine;&NewLine;<&sol;div>&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;<p><strong><em>SVA&colon; Obviously&comma; one sees the purpose&comma; and can we say&comma; politics&comma; in your writing&period; All well calculated and thought out&comma; for a purpose&period; Do you then&comma; generally&comma; just on some occasion or the other&comma; write for fun&quest; Does it always need to be didactic&quest;<&sol;em><&sol;strong><&sol;p>&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;<p><strong>NS&colon;<&sol;strong> You’re the first to say my writing is didactic&comma; honestly&comma; but I get where you’re coming from&period; So&comma; for myself&comma; and for fun&comma; I write poetry and letters&period; To be more specific&comma; I write erotic poems&period; Recently&comma; someone said to me that even writing that as a Muslim woman is political&period; But I like to think of poetry as the place where I can unwind&comma; I don’t think I arrive at it with any politics in my arms&period; I rather think I am very open armed with poetry and just write for the pleasure of it&period;<&sol;p>&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;<p><strong><em>SVA&colon; You’re one of the co-founders of The Third Space in Kano&comma; and also a voice in several literary platforms like Poetic Wednesdays and Arts Muse Fair&period; You have also been involved in organisations like the Hilltop Academy in Minna and the Association of Nigerian Authors&period; What is this interest in serving&comma; and why is creating room for community so central to your work&quest;<&sol;em><&sol;strong><&sol;p>&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;<p>I don’t really know how to explain it&comma; but I just want us all to have dreams and to bring those dreams to life&period; I believe it’s easier to realise our dreams when we support each other&period; I’ve had a lot of support throughout my journey&comma; and I still do&period; I wouldn’t be where I am without the community that raised me&comma; encouraged me&comma; and believed in me&period; I’m deeply grateful for that&period; So&comma; creating space and serving others feels like a natural way to give back&comma; to replicate that support and&comma; hopefully&comma; do even better&period;<&sol;p>&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;<p><strong><em>SVA&colon; As a bonus&comma; what’s your take on everything AI is doing in the world&quest;<&sol;em><&sol;strong><&sol;p>&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;<p><strong>NS&colon;<&sol;strong> AI feels like a friend&comma; sometimes&period; I believe we can use AI to source information on funding&comma; courses&comma; or opportunities to apply for—and I sure hope that someday AI can organise my feeding and chores&excl; It frees up space for us to do the actual work of creating&period; AI is great for many things&comma; but not for the actual creation of art&comma; like the traveling to immerse yourself in scenes you want to adapt&comma; the conversations with real people to learn how normal people talk&comma; and what authentic dialogue feels like&period; I hope we never replace those essential human experiences&period;<&sol;p>&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;<p>That said&comma; I’m deeply afraid of how easily AI can facilitate disinformation and reduce critical thinking&period; There’s a kind of brain sharpening that happens when you go through the grit of finding and discovering information yourself&comma; rather than just feeding off what an AI system provides&period;<&sol;p>&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;<p>AI in health and tech also scares me&period; While it offers amazing advancements&comma; the ethical concerns are huge&period; We need to seriously question what’s reasonable&comma; especially around surveillance and resource extraction&period; How humane is mining in the Global South&comma; where workers are dehumanised to get minerals for the chips powering our gadgets&quest; What penalties exist for violations and misuse&quest; Especially because our politicians in the Global South are not even thinking about ethics or how much AI can be used to violate us&period; This lack of foresight is terrifying&period;<&sol;p>&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;<p><strong><em>SVA&colon; Moving global&comma; in the light of all the wars in the world&comma; and needless pain&comma; what are your thoughts and wishes&quest;<&sol;em><&sol;strong><&sol;p>&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;<p><strong>NS&colon;<&sol;strong> I honestly don’t know what to say about a world that watches children die without turning into a villain myself&period; If I had a superpower&comma; it might be to wipe us all away&period; Maybe then&comma; a new set of creations on earth could make it a better place&period;<&sol;p>&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;<p><strong><em>SVA&colon; Finally&comma; what is your practical advice to writers and creatives in the times we live in&comma; here in Nigeria and everywhere else&quest;<&sol;em><&sol;strong><&sol;p>&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;<p class&equals;"has-black-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-5175a36d927b3a9b61889a85d6ff7188"><strong>NS&colon;<&sol;strong> My practical advice is simple&colon; find time to rest&comma; to refill&comma; and to unplug&period; The creative journey is demanding&comma; and without taking care of yourself&comma; it’s easy to burn out&period; Remember&comma; you deserve to reclaim some sanity amid the noise and demands of this world&period; Also&comma; lean on your community&comma; seek support&comma; share your struggles&comma; and celebrate your wins together&period; Creativity isn’t a solo act&semi; it thrives when nurtured by connection and care&period; Keep going&comma; but don’t forget to pause and breathe&period;<&sol;p>&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;<p class&equals;"has-black-color has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-460b74585998eea5c46597e5a82fb02e"><strong>AA&colon; <&sol;strong>I have been thinking&comma; more recently&comma; about the science of the liminal—how we can move from space to space&comma; threading through difficulties or uncertainty&comma; searching for answers to the questions the world presents&period; As Solnit reflects in <em>A Field Guide to Getting Lost<&sol;em>&comma; <em>&OpenCurlyDoubleQuote;The things we want are transformative&comma; and we don’t know or only think we know what is on the other side of that transformation&period;”<&sol;em> Starting as a nutritionist provided the basin for critical analysis and enriched my pedagogy&period; I am not entirely sure when the switch happened or when I decided that this was what I was going to do for the rest of my life&comma; but it didn’t truly sink in until my father&comma; and I arrived in front of Dey House on an August morning&period;<&sol;p>&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;<hr class&equals;"wp-block-separator has-css-opacity is-style-dots">&NewLine;&NewLine;&NewLine;<div class&equals;'w3eden'><&excl;-- WPDM Link Template&colon; Default Template -->&NewLine;&NewLine;<div class&equals;"link-template-default card mb-2">&NewLine; <div class&equals;"card-body">&NewLine; <div class&equals;"media">&NewLine; <div class&equals;"mr-3 img-48"><img class&equals;"wpdm&lowbar;icon" alt&equals;"Icon" 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